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Basketball Recruiting McDonald's All-American Game: Final news, notes from the event

Read that here. Courtesy of Rob Cassidy. Andrej says he would beat his dad if they played against each other. Kinda funny.

Draft blurb on McKee

from espn
out of 9 qbs in Pressure, Deep ball, Accuracy, Pocket, out route

In most cases he finished in the middle / toward the bottom.:(

From T.McShay in pressure section - "McKee's numbers make sense though. I watched him live against UCLA last season, and he just had no chance when pressure got on him. The offensive line struggled, the offense featured bigger receivers who didn't get early separation and McKee lacks mobility. He's a traditional pocket passer, and he didn't have the talent around him at Stanford to find success when pass-rushers got on him."

no surprise on Todd's comments as many on board echoing the same thing.

Really Silly Davis Mills Comparison

Former NFL GM Mike Tannenbaum offers his NFL Mock First Round Draft on ESPN. He has Bryce Young going #1, and then says that the Houston Texans will happily draft C. J. Stroud as #2. OK, that may make good sense.

But the main reason he gives for taking Stroud is incredibly ridiculous.

He notes that Stroud's stats the past two seasons were much better than Mills stats. Well, OF COURSE THEY WERE! Stroud was surrounded by Five-Star talent. Davis Mills didn't have much talent at WR, not much at RB, and had very little help on the OL.

There are MANY good reasons for the Texans taking Stroud, but comparing his stats to Mills is not one of them!

Here is what Tannenbaum said:

"Davis Mills has had a chance to take the reins under center, but in two seasons, he has thrown 33 touchdown passes and 25 interceptions while failing to produce more than 3,200 yards in either campaign. Stroud, meanwhile, threw 75 touchdown passes and 11 interceptions and had more than 7,200 yards across two seasons as the Buckeyes' starter."

Women's Golf Anuenue Spring Break Classic

Stanford didn't send a full team to the Anuenue Spring Break Classic. Instead, they sent just three golfers, Englemann, Xu and Ye.
Englemann is tied for 2nd with a -5. Xu is tied for 36th with a +1 and Ye is tied for 40th with a +2. If they had a 4th score at even par, they would be tied for 3rd.

Going back to the Pac-12 Preview, the five players were Zhang, Seay, Sturdza, Englemann and Ganne. Sturdza played a lot last year but isn't playing as well this year and I missed it, but she withdrew from the Inkster tournament earlier this month. That probably explains why she didn't make the trip to Hawaii with Englemann, Xu and Ye.
The following tournament, the Therese Hession Regional Challenge, the players were Zhang, Ganne, Englemann, Xu and Ye and the team finished 2nd, five shots back of Oregon. Ganne and Zhang were -6, but Englemann, Xu and Ye were +32! So it looks like a chance for those three to get more golf and to improve their play. So if we get Seay back, it looks like Englemann will be #4 and then either Xu or Ye will be #5. The next tournament is on April 10th with the Pac-12 tournament a week later and NCAAs in early May.

ESPN article on new era of college football roster building

While minimally relevant to Stanford in some ways, this article on the new era of college football roster building was an interesting read.

Thinking through a Stanford lens, a few quotes jumped out at me:

"Our philosophy is, our best opportunity for success at Mizzou is to retain players who had the potential to play in the NFL but were not a third-round or better grade," Drinkwitz said. "We want to get them back. If you swing and miss [in the draft], you're going to be on a practice squad. Well, we're going to make sure you're paid better than a practice squad player. We're going to provide you for a year to get better and improve your stock. If you hit on that, you're going to make way more. Do you want to cash in your lottery ticket now, or do you want to invest a year?"

"Not to name names, but there's certain schools that have gone extremely transfer-heavy that, if you just look at the individual talent on the roster, you'd be like, 'Man, what a team,'" Sumrall said. "But then you watch them play and they're not a very good team. They may look great some Saturdays, but they don't look very consistent. I'll take consistency over maybe some things that are flashier at times."

"I keep hearing everybody talk about how you've got to recruit your roster," Fritz said, referencing the increasing need to avoid transfer portal losses. "We've tried to do that since I started coaching. You always want to treat your guys the right way. We try to retain them by providing a culture where they can thrive and grow."

The Drinkwitz quote points to an imperative (but I fear blind spot) for Stanford football, the Sumrall quote points to the possible opportunity/optimistic case for Stanford's place in this landscape, and the Fritz quote points to a successful coach talking just like Coach Taylor.

To Drinkwitz's point, the sweet spot for a major college program that can't constantly reload with blue chip prospects is to be a program that is developing and/or acquiring NFL talent but, crucially, not losing out on NFL backup/practice squad level guys because you can't entice them to stay. Stanford under Shaw became an abject failure in this regard. Since 2018, Tanner McKee, Elijah Higgins, Kyu Blu Kelly, Elijah Higgins, Davis Mills, Dalton Schultz, Harrison Phillips, JJ Arcega-Whiteside, Simi Fehoko, Connor Wedington, Kaden Smith, Colby Parkinson, Nate Herbig, Drew Dalman, Walker Little, Foster Sarell, Thomas Booker, Tucker Fisk, Curtis Robinson, Justin Reid, Quenton Meeks, Paulson Adebo, and more all left eligibility on the table to try their hand at the NFL. A good case can be made that Little was literally the only one (maybe JJAW, maybe Adebo, maybe Reid) who left with a reasonable expectation of entering the NFL as a starting-level player. I viewed this as a risible, devastating (from the perspective of competing in major college football) development. Really bad combo to recruit like a #25 (or #40) team and have players leave for the NFL more readily relative to draft stock than they would even at a #1 team. It is one of Taylor's big challenges to get guys to want to play for Stanford rather than leave after three years to be a Day 3 pick (the beyond risible McKee/Herbig/Meeks/Fehoko/Smith/Parkinson situation). If possible, hopefully he can get them in significant numbers to decline to leave even after four years. But to Drinkwitz's point, there is an incentive aspect to this equation. The collectives allow a program like Mizzou to pay their equivalent of these guys (on our current roster maybe Yurosek an example) so that in a cold hard calculation staying in college doesn't feel like a troubling opportunity cost. Is Stanford postured to do this? Is our collective going to offer Yurosek hundreds of thousands of dollars or will we pat ourselves on the back for giving every walk-on $10,000?

To Sumrall's point, I do not think it is Pollyanna-ish for Stanford fans or any other teams that are on the more restrained end of the transfer competition to have hope (and, more to the point, build a theory of the case) around building more continuity, teamwork, esprit de corps, etc. I would think it would be difficult for Dillingham to build a culture at Arizona State with that kind of roster turnover.

But that gets to the Fritz point. If you're not reloading in this current era that increases the premium even more on recruiting your own roster. Taylor says the right things about it, but what we don't know is how well he will walk his talk, nor what kind of tools the administration and the collective will give him with regard to graduate school, NIL compensation, etc.

One of the overarching themes of the article was that this new landscape amounts to a market inefficiency that those with imagination and execution can exploit. Stanford needs to do that by making Stanford an attractive place to play and study, benefiting from more (and, crucially, the right kind of) roster stability, and knocking high school recruiting out of the park. The article alluded to this last point but it's essential for Stanford: with other programs dividing their rosters across high school recruiting, transfer portal recruiting, and JC transfers, that means many fewer high school recruits will be signing with Power Five programs. Stanford absolutely has to take advantage of this and get a higher caliber of high school recruit than we would have if competitors weren't so distracted by the bright shiny transfer portal.

Basketball Recruiting McDonald's All-American Games are today

The McDonald's All-American Games are today. Courtney Ogden representing Stanford WBB; Andrej Stojakovic representing Stanford MBB. Girls game is at 3:30 PM PT on ESPN2. Boys game is at 6:00 PM PT on ESPN. Stojakovic also participated in the 3-point shootout last night. I'll get write ups done on all this, but just for those that want to watch, I thought I would post this.

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OT: Dead Period Rant on Sports Programming

I realize the sports talk world – especially the Talking Heads on ESPN and Fox – consign themselves to massive repetition by completely bailing on baseball (and most other sports not NFL or NBA). But really, the ability to beat a topic to death – a hundred times over – has made the morning programming pretty unwatchable (and makes our recurring threads on Stanford’s attendance woes and the landscape change caused by NIL and transfer portal look like fresh discussions).

Brady and Rodgers and where will they go/when will they retire? are recent examples of never ending repetition (and the Rodgers one won’t is effing interminable). But the latest and greatest is Lamar Jackson. And NOTHING HAS CHANGED with that guy. No team is going to offer Jackson the guaranteed money he is NOT getting from the Raven, PLUS 2 #1 draft picks. Ain’t happening. Period. Never was going to happen.

So there has always only been two possibilities with Lamar: (i) he signs and plays on the tag this year for the Ravens, or (ii) he sits it out. The leverage is all with the Ravens (gee, there’s a shocker . . . NOT). The only way this has any chance of movement is if the Ravens really believe Lamar will sit out, then they might be willing to trade him for LESS than the 2 #1 picks. And I suppose that’s possible, but that assumes some other team out there is willing to ink a deal with Lamar that he is actually happy with . . . a dubious proposition. (Just ‘cuz the Brown screwed the pooch with the Watson contract doesn’t mean other teams have to/want to/or will). And while I can see Lamar wanting to get out of Baltimore because he feels "disrespected" - (and don't you love how $185M guaranteed is a sign of disrespect?) - if no other team gives him the “contract value” he thinks he is entitled to, would he be content there? Would any team want a disgruntled Jackson?

So just stop already with the “Braking New/Latest Update” on Lamar Jackson. Nothing has changed; nothing will change until he sits it out . . . or signs and plays. That’s it.

And of course, all this stems from . . . the 4-5 year rookie deals in the NFL. They are oppressive and the cause of all the upheaval/unfair compensation in the NFL. Make those rookie deals 2 years, and we’d all be pleasantly surprised by how teams actually pay players what they are worth when they are worth it, thereby lessening the pressure for players to hold out/sit out/demand the moon on second NFL contract. It's a crazy, pro-owner compensation system. Doubt it will change given lack of power in the players union, but it really should change.

P.S. One other thing: for the love of god, Lamar, get a real effing agent! You are clowning yourself as it is.

2024 Football Recruiting Needs

It's been nice to see Taylor start to haul in some commitments. Hopefully they can start to generate some momentum. Right now we have no buzz (#48 in the composite team rankings), but now having multiple commits who visited during the first Junior Day starts to open up a realistic hope that guys who checked out campus together will start to see each other as a potential band of brothers. Given the visitor list any momentum would largely sweep up solid 3-star recruits rather than blue chip guys, but at least one big recruit (Benedict Umeh) was on that visit. Something to watch.

As the 2024 class starts to look more real rather than an abstraction, I thought it might be interesting to ponder the needs for this class. Far and away the biggest need in my view is studs. Kind of an obvious/throwaway/evergreen comment but it bears emphasizing at a time when Stanford's roster is arguably one of the worst we've had in half a century (I view it as bottom 2-3 of the last quarter century). We need to inject talent. The last composite top 400 recruit to enter the program was David Bailey. Almost 16 months without a big recruit is pretty ugly. The other big thing we're looking to do in recruiting is change the culture and bring in the kind of guys who will turn Taylor's vision into reality. There's really no way for me to assess how individual recruits do that and I just have to trust that each middling 3-star commitment or worse is taking a salutary step in that direction.

Neither the stud dimension nor the culture dimension gives us much purchase in being concrete about team needs in 2024 recruiting. For that, one needs to accept that while the bottom line is we need to strengthen the roster everywhere it's the positions we've recruited the weakest that meet a traditional definition of need. To inform that discussion, here is a breakdown of the last two classes (the ones the next class should be seeking to compensate for, to the extent recruiting is about need):

QB: #459 Myles Jackson, #995 Ashton Daniels

RB: #517 Sedrick Irvin, #1254 Caleb Hampton, NR Ryan Butler

WR: #448 Ahmari Borden, #484 Tiger Bachmeier, #600 Mudia Reuben, #690 Jackson Harris, #925 Elic Ayomanor, #1099 Ismail Cisse [I'm not aware of Jason Thompson having a scholarship yet but he was #1371]

TE: #296 Sam Roush, #676 CJ Hawkins

OL: #268 Fisher Anderson, #305 Lucas Heyer, #593 Simione Pale, #663 Luke Baklenko, #854 Jake Maikkula, #1090 Charlie Symonds, #1632 Allen Thomason

DL: #541 Jaxson Moi, #736 Zach Rowell, #1322 Pat Caughey, #1334 Braden Marceau-Olayinka

OLB: #66 David Bailey, #154 Ernest Cooper, #264 Tevarua Tafiti, #906 Gavin Geweniger (but maybe DL), #1208 Omar Staples

ILB: #965 Tre Williams, #1428 Matt Rose, #1435 Benjamin Hudson

DB: #415 JShawn Frausto-Ramos, #710 Joshua Thompson, #736 Collin Wright, #854 Terian Williams, #1032 Che Ojarikre, #1449 Aaron Morris, #2008 Scotty Edwards


In terms of volume relative to bodies needed per position, we are lightest at OL, DL, ILB, and DB. Definitely need some volume at each of those this year.

In terms of recruiting profile relative to Power Five standards, we are weakest at QB, RB, and ILB.

I often note that DB is the biggest exception to the rule that need isn't about who you are losing but rather about how the pipeline just ahead looks. There are several reasons for that but in essence DBs can play early, aren't reliant on improvement over time, and constitute a room with pretty significant diminishing returns for marginal players (the seventh DB is way less important than the seventh OL in my view). As such, it's always hard to put DB near the top of a need list, unless the pipeline just ahead really stinks (which I have no more reason to believe for our DB group than our OL, DL, ILB, QB, or RB groups).

Putting it all together, the top of my wish list for 2024 are:

1) Stud QB
2) Stud ILB (but depth also extremely important since that room is so troubled)
3) DL volume (would love a stud of course)
4) OL volume (would love a stud of course)
5) Stud RB (but depth also important since that room is so troubled)

Order is arbitrary and not strongly felt. I could make a case it all starts in the trenches and that's where we most need to bolster.

Anyway, just wanted to order my thoughts beyond "top 400 players please" and would welcome any other thoughts.

Basketball Recruiting Key Quotes: 2024 4-star PG Shay Ijiwoye

Hey guys, I interviewed 2024 4-star point guard Shay Ijiwoye earlier today about how things are coming with Stanford. She visited for the UCLA game. Below are key quotes. The rest will be saved for the article.

"I have a pretty good relationship with them. Kate Paye, she calls and reaches out to me once a week. Calls me and Face Time. Coach Brittany, she’ll reach out to me. Tara, she’s talked to my parents. We’re focusing on building a strong relationship."

"It went really well. It was not an official visit, but it was like an official visit because it was an official visit weekend. We just kinda did the same things. Watched their practice, went to the training table, went on a campus tour, talked to academic advisors, talked to the athletic director, a little photo shoot and then obviously went to the game, too."

"They like how I push the ball and command my team. They like my presence on the court and my ability to get my teammates involved. They like how I play intense defense and get up in my opponents and how I disrupt their flow."

"Basketball-wise, [I'm looking for] a place that fits my play style and winning and being surrounded by amazing people. Academically, somewhere I can choose my major. Where I can really explore and get a great education. I just want to be around great people on and off the court and build a good relationship."

Basketball Stanford Rivals March Madness Yahoo! Tourney Pick'Em (MBB & WBB)

Hey guys, I'm creating Yahoo! Tourney Pick'Em pools for the site. Winners get a championship shirt. I say winners, because I'm creating two pools. A men's pool and a women's pool.

The men's pool is called Stanford Rivals March Madness. Group ID#: 108207 Password: cardinal. Link is here. Note: It's not the same group as last year. Same name, but not the same group. Different group ID. So don't click the rejoin group option. I would have done that, but then I created this group before realizing I could. Next year and beyond, I'll just remember that I can do the rejoin group option.

The women's pool is also called Stanford Rivals March Madness. Group ID#: 4386. Password: cardinal. Link is here. Same drill as the men's pool, I'll make sure in future years, it'll be the same pool and we'll do the rejoin option. This is the first year I'm doing a women's pool for the site.

Anyways, if anyone has any questions/comment below or shoot me a note. Good luck!
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West's hopes now all riding on San Diego St

Zags get buried by UConn's quicker more athletic team... about as bad a 3pt shooting game tonight by any team in the tournament. Timme couldn't do it all... and his fouls just a killer. All she wrote.

San Diego St vs Creighton (Omaha NE) tomorrow, winner to Final Four

Whatever the outcome tomorrow, likely SD State's case for joining Pac12 immeasurably strengthened.
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